Ibn Uthaymeen Full Debate with a Murji on Aqeedah Iman and the Excuse of Ignorance
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⚠️ This is the official clip from Shaykh Ibn ʿUthaymeen, refuting a dangerous misunderstanding spread by some who claim knowledge but have been influenced by the Murjiʾah and liberalism. These individuals claim you cannot label someone who prostrates to a grave a mushrik — the Shaykh responds: “THAT IS A GRAVE MISTAKE.” These people: 1️⃣ Fail to differentiate between worldly rulings (based on what is apparent) and Hereafter rulings (which are with Allah alone). 2️⃣ Misuse terms like “outward Muslim” vs. “true Muslim” to justify calling grave-worshippers Muslims. 3️⃣ They misunderstand the concept of punishment and what its based upon and the associated terms like inward kufr and outward kufr. ----- 🎯 Shaykh Ibn ʿUthaymeen made it crystal clear: - Whoever supplicates to graves, makes vows to the dead, prostrates to a grave, or abandons the salah — he is a mushrik, not a Muslim in this world. - The excuse of ignorance only relates to whether the person is punished in the Hereafter — not to whether we call him a Muslim here and now. - Whoever falls into shirk is a mushrik, whether the proof has reached him or not. ----- ⚠️ NOTE: Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen is NOT encouraging people to walk up to others and call them kafir to their face. That is neither wisdom, nor proper manners, nor the correct way to give da‘wah. The Shaykh’s point is this: 1. Judgment is based on what is apparent. This is in contrast to the extreme innovators among the Murji’ah, who suspend rulings and instead claim to judge only by what is supposedly in the heart. 2. What is wajib is to believe in your heart that such a person is a kafir. You do not have to announce it to him, nor declare it publicly to others. 📌 Example: If you see a man praying, and when you intend to join him he tells you before the salah that he is an Ahmadi, or that Jesus is the son of Allah, or that he calls upon saints. Upon hearing that it becomes WAJIB to believe in his kufr and therefore not pray behind him. If he tells you that Jesus is the son of God and you do not believe in his kufr, then this is the third nullifier of Islam. Likewise, if you knowingly pray behind him after that, your salah is invalid. ----- 🟥 We judge by what is outwardly apparent. Islam is not just a claim — it must be free from shirk both outwardly and inwardly. ----- 📌 Offical Clip Here (6:12 - 8:00): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ewqktnbq_48 Quotes included in this video: 1. Lajnah Dāʾimah – on the ruling of those who fall into major shirk. https://shamela.ws/book/8381/396#p1 2. Shaykh Ṣāliḥ Āl al-Shaykh – clarifying worldly rulings vs. Hereafter rulings. https://archive.org/details/20210627_20210627_1431/page/n137/mode/2up?view=theater 3. Shaykh Ibn ʿUthaymeen – on declaring takfīr in clear cases of shirk. https://shamela.ws/book/2300/379 ----- ⚠️ Important ⚠️: For those who understand Arabic — beware of the Murjiah who lie and falsely attribute to Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen statements he never directly said or intended. Shaykh Dr. Ayman Al-Anqari, one of the senior students of Shaykh Abdul Aziz Al-Rajihi, has gathered all of Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen’s statements on this matter and thoroughly explained his actual position — alhamdulillah. This work was praised by Shaykh Abdullah ibn Zayd, the longest-serving student of Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen, who studied under him for 40 years! 🔗 Link: https://archive.org/details/tahreerkawlothaimeen/mode/2up ----- #IbnUthaymeen #Shirk #Tawheed #Kufr #Murjiah #Shahadah #Aqeedah #GraveWorship #Takfir #NullifiersOfIslam #Salafi #TawheedVsShirk #IslamicReminder #KufrAkbar #MajorShirk #IslamicBeliefs #IslamicKnowledge #PureTawheed #AvoidShirk #TruthAboutShahadah #ShahadahAndShirk #LajnahDaimah #SalahAlSheikh
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